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VONOVIA WKN: A1ML7J ISIN: DE000A1ML7J1 Kürzel: VNA Forum: Aktien Thema: Hauptdiskussion

31,91 EUR
-1,21 %-0,39
24. Sep, 09:26:52 Uhr, Tradegate
Kommentare 30.321
Dobby241
Dobby241, 02.08.2023 10:45 Uhr
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TAG hingegen hält sich super.
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Revelation, 02.08.2023 10:44 Uhr
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Der Gesamtmarkt hat mal einen schlechten Tag, das sagt ja nicht viel aus. Wenn Apple nicht so liefert wie erwartet, kann das auch nochmal reinhauen, weil die ja nun mal abartig hoch in jedem ETF gewichtet sind. Vonovia traue ich Freitag allerdings zu sich vom Gesamtmarkt aber zu entkoppeln, wäre nicht das erste mal.
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Betzebub, 02.08.2023 9:50 Uhr
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Kursziele sind das sinnloseste was die Börse produziert.
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Aniliner15, 02.08.2023 9:32 Uhr
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Die Zahlen werden bestimmt positiv überraschen
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Aniliner15, 02.08.2023 9:32 Uhr
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Ich glaube nicht das wir nochmal unter die 20€ gehen
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Aniliner15, 02.08.2023 9:26 Uhr
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Auf 51,10€ haha. In welchem Jahr? 2030?
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richkid3005, 02.08.2023 9:22 Uhr
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CITIGROUP senkt das Kursziel für VONOVIA von €70,60 auf €51,10. Buy.
Pleitegeier131
Pleitegeier131, 02.08.2023 8:57 Uhr
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Dafür dass der Dax fast 500 Punkte korrigiert hat, steht der Kurs noch gut da
Pleitegeier131
Pleitegeier131, 02.08.2023 8:20 Uhr
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Bald wackeln wieder die 20 Euro. Ich werde aber so oder mehrere Jahre halten.
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todi1, 01.08.2023 21:19 Uhr
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Interessante Analyse und ich sehe ahnlich. Darum halte ich meine Positione bei Vonovia mindestens 3 Jahre aber eher langer.
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Betzebub, 01.08.2023 21:05 Uhr
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Und die big boys werden nichts ausschließen wo sich gute Renditen erwirtschaften lassen. Das ist mal sicher.
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Betzebub, 01.08.2023 21:04 Uhr
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Wenn die höheren Zinsen durch höhere Mietrenditen kompensiert werden und schließlich ein ordentlicher Cash-Flow für die Divi bleibt dann ist trotz Inflation alles möglich.
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todi1, 01.08.2023 20:01 Uhr
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Risks As I pointed out earlier, a possible equity injection isn't a risk. After all, the assets currently have a NIY of 2.7% and generate a higher cash flow each year due to rent increases. Taking into account the discount to book value, the return on the assets is well above the required return on equity. But there are two risks I like to point out. Firstly, despite inflation cooling down, inflation might stay well above the ECBs target for longer than expected. This will put further pressure on the balance sheet as interest rates stay higher for longer than already anticipated. Secondly, the rise in interest rates shocked investors. This limits future growth by financing it with debt and investors demand a higher return for extra risk. Therefore, it is unlikely that the share will hit its all-time high in the coming years.
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todi1, 01.08.2023 20:00 Uhr
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* Approximately because Vonovia successfully completed a tender offer for outstanding bonds. Vonovia has around €42 billion net debt that I like to categorize into the following three categories: 25% debt that will be paid with disposals and retained earnings (0% interest rate); 25% debt expiring in 2030 and beyond (1,5% interest rate). 50% new loans rolled over at higher rates (3% - 6% interest rate); Under the assumption Vonovia will refinance its debt with bank loans and bonds at an average 4.5% rate till 2030, I am not that worried about the liabilities. And note that it is unlikely that the interest cost will be 4.5% or higher. This would mean the ECB would barely cut rates after they stimulated consumers, companies and countries to take on record amounts of debt. Taking into account CapEx, dividends, and other costs at €1.5 billion, FFO around €1.8 billion, and disposals at €2 billion (excluding higher taxes), interest costs per year will increase by a maximum of €80 million per year. This is completely compensated by rent increases. But I would like to emphasize that FFO will decrease if Vonovia keeps succeeding with selling assets and interest rates don't drop. Therefore, I believe the management board shouldn't pay dividends under these market conditions.
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todi1, 01.08.2023 19:59 Uhr
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As mentioned in the introduction, Vonovia is weighed down by its debt. Refinancing debts lowers FFO and adds risk to the business. But the crash to €15 was exaggerated, in my opinion. Vonovia was one of the better-performing stocks on the DAX 40, fuelled by the negative interest rates from the ECB. The ECB lowered its interest rates in response to the financial crisis in 2008 and lowered it even further after the European debt crisis. When debt is cheap, it increases the price of what it finances: real estate and stocks. The low rates made leveraging up on debt to increase profits very accessible. It also made you a genius if you did; hang yourself in debt at a 1.5% financing rate and make a small spread. Naturally, when interest rates rise, debt becomes too heavy. A share price of €15 is a 70% discount to book value, while the assets have a NIY of 2.7%. After all, you buy assets that yield 2.7% of the book value for 30% of the price. As my required return on equity is 7%, this should create alpha. Let's say one would buy Vonovia at €15 and one second later, Vonovia announces it will raise €10 equity per share. The investment of €25 generates €2.4 FFO per share (including lower interest costs) and a < 35% LTV and a further €11 billion worth of disposals of non-core assets. In this scenario, Vonovia wouldn't need to access the debt market until 2028.
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todi1, 01.08.2023 19:57 Uhr
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The market is currently pricing in further asset depreciation. I think the market is exaggerating a bit. Due to the relatively low yield, the book value of rental properties is low compared to their face value on the open market. The book value of the apartments in Berlin is valued at €3,000 per square meter. The average asking price in Berlin is above €5,000 per square meter and can even increase to €8,000 for new buildings. Although building permits plummet while demand is increasing, building costs aren't decreasing and this should further boost the price of real estate in the medium term. Despite financing costs being higher, as wages increase overall, house prices aren't going to decline significantly. The housing shortage in Germany will increase further, partly driven by Ukrainian refugees that aren't returning to Ukraine. Residential real estate might get less attractive since bond yields are higher, but you can't print real estate from thin air. The rise of interest rates and building costs made affordable housing unprofitable under the current German law. Thus Germany keeps failing to hit its projected target. Long-term investors that want to buy residential real estate are only able to buy existing units from real estate companies like Vonovia. Long-term investors such as pension funds are required to diversify their portfolios and match their cash flows with their future obligations. This is where residential properties beat bonds; you can determine you want higher rents but you cannot ask the government or a company to increase the coupon. So far Vonovia already made two large transactions during the first half of 2023. So let's zoom in on the previous property deals of Vonovia. Firstly, the €1 billion deal with Apollo. Investors weren't that excited despite a '5%' discount to book value. This seems odd, since the share price of Vonovia offers an almost 70% discount to book value and disposing assets at a 5% discount to book value should close a proportion of the valuation gap. But Apollo receives with their minority stake a higher yield than Vonovia, as they won't pay management fees and receive a higher dividend. What Vonovia also didn't disclose is that Apollo might leech on Vonovia's low financing rate, while the market rate is much higher. The management board plays down the enormous discount to book value that was offered with a forever call option, which could be exercisable maybe in 2035. It is important to state that Vonovia only sold a minority stake. Being the bigger shareholder can have some perks. Thus making the higher portion of the dividend less relevant. Despite the discount to book value, the deal injects €1 billion of equity into Vonovia. This is a positive thing in my opinion. Of course, the media exaggerates the deal as Apollo is the big winner, but it also proves the almost 70% discount on the share price is exorbitant in my opinion. The CBRE Investment Management deal was at more favorable terms with only a slight discount to book value. However, this deal included freshly built apartments, resulting in lower CapEx for the coming years. But the gross yield was in line with Vonovia's assets. Overall, I would say shareholders are better off with those two transactions. Vonovia almost hit its 2023 asset disposal target in the first half of 2023. This should also improve bargaining power a bit for future deals. I think assets might depreciate 3% further, maybe 6% in total, before stabilizing. And note that S&P Global affirmed a BBB+ credit rating with a stable outlook for the long-term, even under the assumption Vonovia won't succeed in shrinking the balance sheet. Which it did.
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